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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/26/2018 11:04:07 PM
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Speakers + cameras
Smart speakers are indeed big, but the other big driver of residential IoT -- according to residential integrators I've spoken with -- is that of smart security mechanisms, like "smart cameras".

They're especially popular in well-to-do suburban neighborhoods, FWIW.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/31/2018 5:09:22 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Agree with you totally. Security and any of its related components take high precedence over anything else. I also would like to say that has become like a bottleneck for IOT progress. Consumers do not have enough confidence yet to adapt in length.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/31/2018 11:57:21 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@ms.a: Good. Security SHOULD be a bottleneck for so-called "progress" in IoT. Privacy by design and security by design are being ignored in favor of being first to market and first to innovate -- leading to SERIOUS data concerns and problems.

Keep that bottleneck tight, I say!

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:27:59 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@Joe Stanganelli, I agree. Security is always an after thought. Security should be a top priority because it is better to be proactive then reactive. It costs exponentially more to fix a security issue that it is to install security measures prior to an event occurring.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
11/30/2018 10:36:46 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@freehe: To be fair, of course, it's a matter of risk assessment. Sure, there's upfront cost versus cost IF a breach or other problem happens. But you have to factor into that latter cost the probability of it happening combined with the organization's risk appetite/tolerance.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/30/2018 4:31:48 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@Joe:

Can't agree to more. Security got to be the key bottleneck that needs to be passed through to get going in the path. That tight measure hopefully would help these bussing companies to take a step back and work on proper security details before rushing into delivering their products just to be first ones in the market.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
12/24/2018 12:58:09 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Yes, security may be a big issue for customers as recent news reports indicate the possibility of hackers getting access to home security cameras and one report shows the hacker actually talking to the victim and warning to change passwords. Pretty scary stuff.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/28/2018 7:39:00 AM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
OMG, that sounds pretty scary and a bit extreme to me.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
2/28/2019 8:36:33 AM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I"ve yet to invest in a smart speaker of security gadget, but I certainly see the trend as more and more folks play with them and install those doorbell cameras at their front doors. I can imagine those security device sales mushrooming in the future as we all get more and more fearful of those doorstep thieves taking our Amzaon packages.

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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
2/28/2019 1:32:39 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Not just doorstep thieves. My doorbell camera caught someone dumping their garbage in front of my house when the person had missed the garbage pickup for the day. I brought it right back to his house.

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michelle
michelle
2/28/2019 10:50:30 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I'm surprised folks are still doing stuff like this with all the connected camera technology available. I guess they are betting the victim doesn't have any means of watching them...

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michelle
michelle
2/28/2019 10:52:49 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Now, more than ever, is a great time for Amazon to expand its Amazon Pick Up locations. I use one locally and it's been great so far. No worries about missing deliveries. 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
3/22/2019 3:04:18 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
...Amazon seems to be everywhere--I have seen UPS stores "kind of" disappear as I see Amazon Delivery drivers actually delivering products--it seems nothing is prone to being "Amazon'd"!! :) 

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michelle
michelle
3/25/2019 2:47:35 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
That's very interesting. We don't have a lot of Amazon direct-delivery in my area. We have a large number of UPS and FedEx stores as well as an Amazon Pickup store. 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
3/25/2019 11:49:00 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
As the delivery service is gathering steam, it is their "Flex"program that is also starting to gather steam too--I have already seen them around town--It seems nothing is out of their reach!!! 

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
4/25/2019 2:04:23 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I was surprised a few day ago to see an "Amazon Prime" van in my pretty rural SW Florida neighborhood. I'm not sure what they are delivering, maybe only to prime customers or maybe some larger purchases. Normally, Amazon products seem to arrive here by parcel delivery or even U.S. mail. 

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michelle
michelle
4/27/2019 1:23:58 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I would be surprised to see that myself. They may be testing Amazon deliveries in your area. I know they have it in some places. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
5/9/2019 1:38:25 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Amazon Flex has been expanding to a LOT of areas... Presumbably, to test out faster more efficient deliveries -- even in rural areas. It's a lot like Uber or Lyft, tho, in its treatment of drivers, so we'll see how it works out if/when autonomous drone deliveries become a reality.....

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michelle
michelle
5/19/2019 5:36:08 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Wow! I didn't realize they had so much activity already. I'm waiting for it to come to my area. I think UPS and Fedex have pretty good coverage here, however.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/2/2019 9:08:09 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I don't think the coverage of other more established delivery companies is the problem for Amazon. Amazon would like to have more direct control over the quality and costs of its shipping networks. So it could presumably negotiate better rates by having its own shipping network -- or augment uSPs or fedex where it knows those services are lacking in efficiency. Netflix did this with DVD shipping in its heyday of mailing plastic discs to customers.

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michelle
michelle
6/6/2019 9:24:41 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Thanks for the reminder about Netflix. I have a disc I need to send back :D

Control over shipping can certainly affect the overall service.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/6/2019 11:03:25 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Heh. You're one of the rare people still using Netflix as a DVD by mail service.... I forget what they had tried to call it... flickster?

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michelle
michelle
6/8/2019 5:37:35 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Yeah, I have a 1 disc per month plan + streaming. I don't know how they tried to brand it.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/9/2019 2:53:52 AM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
It's hard to believe it's been over 20 years since Qwikster flopped as a big announcement from Netflix.... https://qz.com/1245107/as-netflix-turns-20-lets-revisit-its-biggest-blunder/

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batye
batye
6/10/2019 10:31:00 AM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@mhhf1ve  it IT feld/technology time do fly fast... and I keep asking where is my Walkman while finding my old 32gb ipod... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/10/2019 1:15:04 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
I still have cassette tapes .. and no equipment to listen to them. :( I suppose someday I'll try to transfer some of them to a digital format because cassette players will be harder and harder to find.

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batye
batye
6/10/2019 2:14:03 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
@mhhf1ve amazon and ebay to sell usb wired casset player to transfer your old tapes to digita music :) 

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michelle
michelle
6/15/2019 4:39:34 PM
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Re: Speakers + cameras
Thanks for sharing! I can't believe it's been that long already. 

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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
10/28/2018 10:27:36 PM
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opensync
I am not sure I understand how OpenSync, as an open source, middle layer of software, can help ISPs defend themselves against market intrusion by smart speakers. Could somone help me get a better understanding of this? Thank you.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/1/2018 2:41:41 AM
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Re: opensync
I'm right there with you with confusion over how an open source middleware project can help defend ISPs from tech giants and AI assistants that are taking over consumer appliances. Maybe the open source software helps ISPs from completely becoming a dumb pipe into the home, but it doesn't do anything to give ISPs a foothold in AI assistants. Even Apple is going to have a hard time defending against the popularity of smart speakers with integrations that could rival its App Store.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
11/1/2018 12:34:01 PM
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Re: opensync
> integrations that could rival its App Store.

Except Apple's notorious Walled Garden is a feature in this regard -- allowing for far less malware than Android/Google does.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/1/2018 3:06:19 PM
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Re: opensync
> "Apple's notorious Walled Garden is a feature.."

I'm happily willing to play in Apple's sandbox bc it's not littered with junk apps. I liked ChromeOS, but I'm starting to change my mind as Google is opening the floodgates for Android apps on it....

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:30:08 PM
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Re: opensync
@mhhf1ve. Good points. I need to do research on the actual benefits of Open Mesh because it is not clear from the article. How will it benefit consumers and ISPs and the industry?

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srufolo1
srufolo1
10/31/2018 1:26:28 PM
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Open the Mesh
My Wi-Fi connection does not seem that bad that it won't work anywhere in the home, but whole-home mesh Wi-Fi solutions that address the black spots in the home will certainly grab the attention of those that have spotty Wi-Fi connectivity.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/31/2018 10:48:52 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
@srufolo: For my own part, I've certainly lived in homes where Wi-Fi connectivity was better in some parts of the house than others.

Ditto for cell signals/LTE. In my current home, there are certain places I can't be if I intend to make a phone call or access the Internet via my device (unless I connect to Wi-Fi).

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/7/2018 3:46:56 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
I've found phone signals to be nonexistent in certain places, like sometimes at my cousin's house in Long Island, but I think it's because they do not have a strong signal. For now, I can't complain about either my Wi-Fi connectivity or cell signals.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/5/2018 3:50:36 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
I know I have recently looked into Mesh to get a better signal to my gaming system without interrupting my wife's streaming. For right now it's not worth the extra cost to me, but I could see it being worth it soon and my kids grow up and we all spend time in 4 corners of the house. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/6/2018 1:15:14 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
I've been trying out Google's WiFi "pucks" to see how its mesh network works in my home. It's okay so far, but nothing amazing. I'm not sure I see a 10x improvement over my "old" solution -- which consisted of a combination of WiFi routers and WiFI extenders that used copper wire powerlines. I think mesh networks might be better suited for other 5G services and may not be the silver bullet for home WiFi networking....

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
11/18/2018 7:00:36 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
It would seem the Google's service might not be for everyone. The last time I looed at their offerings though it seemed attractive along with lower prices on the phones offerd and easy financing for those wanting low monthly costs of the device and possible low monthly internet service as well, with no contracts. 

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
11/26/2018 10:37:57 AM
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Re: Open the Mesh
Not having a huge space that might be a problem with wifi I"ve managed to have no problems at all with connections. Even with the router in an opposite side of the house I still have connection to the other side of even a 3 bedroom home but as the only user in the home maybe that makes a big difference from families with many online at once.

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:26:07 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
@srufolo1, I'm curious to know the statistics on consumers what have spotty Wi-Fi in their homes? Are these rural or underserved areas? I thought spotty Wi-Fi only occurs in office buildings and underground.
 


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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/29/2018 9:17:14 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
@freehe  I don't think spotty Wi-Fi is limited to rural or underserved areas. It sometimes happens because of where cell phone towers are located, or if, like in the area of Long Island where my relatives live, there are lots of trees, etc... It's far from a rural area though as it's only 20 minutes outside of New York City. I also experience loss of cell phone signals at my sister's beachhouse in New Jersey.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
12/30/2018 2:01:43 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
Getting to place where all those devices and after this gift giving season, boat loads of smart speakers and Google, Amazon and Facebook video screens to take all your commands at will, there's going to be a demand for wifi that 'just works' anywhere in the house, without dropping out or lagging. That's where an open mesh system should shine.

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michelle
michelle
12/30/2018 2:37:58 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
Excellent point! This year's gift-giving season may be a test for ISPs. I suspect they have been flush with support requests from customer who may not have considered whole house wifi coverage before now.

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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
12/31/2018 1:37:05 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
I have to say those smart speakers don't seem to take up much bandwidth. Video, on the other hand, really weighs down a network if it is transmitted in very high resolution.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
1/14/2019 8:41:49 AM
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Re: Open the Mesh
Yes, those smart speaker don't use much, but the newer generation of smart screens that Amazon, Google and now Facebook are promoting are going to to take up considerably more bandwiths and being probably "always" will tend to make things even more problematic for homes with lots of other devices running at the same time.

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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
11/23/2018 3:31:46 AM
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SmartThings
I have the Samsung SmartThings mesh WiFi hub, and what I like about it is that it can connect to so many different brands of devices. I imagine that making the Plume middle layer open source might increase compatibility with such hubs.

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:32:20 PM
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Re: SmartThings
@JohnDrake. That's great. Do you know what technology Samsung uses for their SmartThings mesh WiFi hub? Just wondering if they use Open Source.

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JohnDrake
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11/27/2018 1:32:24 AM
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Re: SmartThings
Yes, I thought SmartThings was using OpenSource. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:12:31 PM
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Open Mesh
Open Mesh sounds like a viable and sound option for ISPs and consumers. Consumers want lots of things including being able to connect all devices using one provider, connectivity and access 24/7, ability to use same network and passwords for multiple devices.

 

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freehe
freehe
11/26/2018 2:22:35 PM
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Interoperable
Does the Open Mesh also include interoperability of devices developed by different companies? It is great to be able to connect all your devices that are offered by one provider but what happens when multiple devices stop working or don't work at all.

 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/3/2018 1:47:12 PM
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Open WiFi projects...
There used to be several WiFi startups working on WiFi mesh networks that "anyone" could log into on the go... but the limitations of using open spectrum seems to have killed off many of them. The next generation of those startups seemed to try to bill themselves as "airbnb for WiFi" by letting people open up their home WiFi routers to random strangers in return for some pocket change.... 

Will 5G make all of these efforts useless? 

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
12/7/2018 10:58:32 AM
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Re: Open WiFi projects...
Those "open " wifi connections I"ve seen  by Comcast/Xfinity seem like a good idea to enable lots more open connections but seem a bit clumsy with the required account needed or pay by the time or bandwith and the not nearly universal yet connections available in more rural or even suburban neigh borhoods but would seem to be an alternative to 5G installations in some areas.

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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
1/30/2019 12:57:09 PM
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Own it
"they have to own the in-house experiences"

Isn't that the double-edged truth? Reminds me of how my rural cable provider wants to own the home experience, and then they try to charge extra when you connect another TV to the cable. Understandable, but hard to enforce and police. All it did was drive more people into cutting their cable TV and relying instead on streaming TV. So much for owning the in-house experience.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
1/30/2019 4:54:28 PM
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Re: Own it
It might be interesting to see down the road a few years if the "cutting the cable"  phenomenon switches to a "cut the IOT device" movement. Unless the connections among devices and manufacturers, and service providers allows for simplicity in operation and installation, consumers might well decide to forego all the high tech devices of the future.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/23/2019 11:16:14 PM
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Re: Own it
Interestingly, in California (not sure about other states), there is a law on the books that prevents cable and satellite providers from spying on their customers.

It remains to be seen how newer-tech companies may fall into that rubric as delivery-mechanisms evolve.

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/24/2019 10:26:15 PM
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Re: Own it
..and just again to catch up on historical discourse, Mesh Networks are being embraced in Emergency Management--City of Irvine demo'd it last year during a Point of Distribution Excerise--curious how that'd impact this during the new year...maybe @Joe you can shed some light....

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michelle
michelle
2/28/2019 10:51:27 PM
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Re: Own it
How is said law enforced? How can residents be sure ISPs aren't spying?

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
3/4/2019 3:16:30 PM
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Re: Own it
> "How can residents be sure ISPs aren't spying?"

I assume there are anti-wiretapping laws that may cover this activity? But IANAL...

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michelle
michelle
3/5/2019 3:12:45 PM
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Re: Own it
Well sure, I was thinking about all the ways digital privacy is invaded even though there are laws against it. :)

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
3/3/2019 6:34:53 PM
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Re: Own it
> "...in California (not sure about other states), there is a law on the books that prevents cable and satellite providers from spying on their customers."
Hmm I suppose that law hinges on how "spying" is defined. Every ISP has to know where your traffic is going on some level. But they don't have to keep logs or analyze that traffic......

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
3/22/2019 3:02:56 PM
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Re: Own it
...but if a "MESH" network is created, it renders this void-right?  In my City, as an FYI, our Emergency Services folks are looking to create a MESH network utilizing residences, for instance--so I wonder about this.....

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srufolo1
srufolo1
1/31/2019 12:47:56 AM
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Open the Mesh
Google Home and Amazon Alexa have certainly gotten their feet into the domestic door. It's hard to compete with these giants. 

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JohnDrake
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1/31/2019 2:02:11 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
There is a group called NYC Mesh that has as its goal the bypassing of middlemen and the relatively more direct connection of residents' devices to the internet backbone. It is an interesting case that students of broadband should study, because it at least in theory opens up the possibility of models threatening to existing businesses.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
2/19/2019 8:39:20 AM
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Re: Open the Mesh
One might wonder if the big guys like Amazon will totally take over the retail markets for devices, not only in manufacturing them, but selling them. taking out some innovation due to what might have been more normal "competitive" markets of past decades.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/23/2019 11:14:28 PM
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Re: Open the Mesh
@Don: To some extent, it may be an inevitability. So you've just got to go with what tech megafirm you support most (or least hate). That's how I operate.

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JohnDrake
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3/31/2019 8:57:53 PM
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separate wifi networks
So I have two WiFi networks, on two different routers, for security purposes. One is fairly open, for junk use, and the other is fairly tight, with heavy-duty firewalls. I wonder, would a mesh system let a customer create two separate networks like that? I'm guessing you would have to create two meshes.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/10/2019 1:18:15 PM
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Open mesh Wifi
Back on topic.. I wish more WiFi enabled smart devices adopted open standards so they were interoperable. Some of my Amazon devices can't talk to my smart plugs -- and it doesn't seem like it should be so hard to do.

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batye
batye
6/10/2019 2:18:29 PM
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Re: Open mesh Wifi
@mhhf1ve I think it due to the Amazon and Google war about smart devices... as Amazon Alexa now have less and less support for using Nest thermostat - what I see on my end - when wife try to use Alexa on her Amazone fire to control heating in the house... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/10/2019 6:05:00 PM
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Re: Open mesh Wifi
I've seen some movement towards making smart devices smarter and cross platform-- with 3rd party apps like IFTTT. If a device supports both IFTTT and Alexa and Google and Apple... then I guess there's some cross platform compatibility.

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batye
batye
6/11/2019 12:55:25 AM
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Re: Open mesh Wifi
@mhhf1ve  yes I could not agree more, but for now Amazon is in fight with Google and we gonna see what happens... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/8/2019 6:22:15 PM
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Re: Open mesh Wifi
I'm not sure I really want major systems in my home to be connected to the internet... Though I just added a wifi-enabled garage door opener to tell me when my door is open or closed... 

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batye
batye
7/9/2019 1:05:18 AM
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Re: Open mesh Wifi
@mhhf1ve  for me I always worried - what if... and if system/Wifi/network get hacked - what when ???

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