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JohnDrake
JohnDrake
1/10/2019 2:24:52 AM
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which is better for
Which is better for broadband revenue for ISPs and for fiber demand for makers and installers of fiber: net neutrality or partiality?

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/10/2019 2:52:29 AM
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Re: which is better for
Is that a rhetorical question? The incumbent ISPs are anti-net-neutrality... so...

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
1/22/2019 11:14:13 AM
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Re: which is better for
I look forward to you expanding on it--it seems they should embrace transformation....

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/10/2019 2:56:45 AM
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Op-eds trying to keep the new normal...
Elsewhere, I've seen more astroturf opinions trying to argue that the end of net neutrality has seemingly had no adverse effects on anything. The key part missing from these biased opinions is that the full effects of the end of net neutrality haven't even begun -- and some states are actively fighting to preserve net neutrality still. So network operators haven't taken advantage of all the things they might do under a net neutrality free environment.

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freehe
freehe
1/18/2019 2:55:37 PM
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Re: Op-eds trying to keep the new normal...
@mhhf1ve. Good point. No one really knows what is going to happen when Net Neutrality is repealed until is it repealed. Several "experts" have only been able to give their opinion. The true effects will not be felt until the repeal is permanent. 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
1/22/2019 11:13:21 AM
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Re: Op-eds trying to keep the new normal...
I will elect to remain optimstic because there is no other choice is there? 

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freehe
freehe
1/18/2019 2:46:49 PM
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Net Neutrality
Wow, this is going to be a heated case. I am anxious to see what happens. I will have to watch the news to see the case unfold. 

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afwriter
afwriter
1/19/2019 12:12:58 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
I have a feeling that this will go on for a log time. 

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
1/22/2019 9:15:16 AM
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Re: Net Neutrality
And this would seem to be just another example of how attorneys have a field day with hours and hours of highly paid work arguing over the finest details of court decisions, and sometimes citing dubious facts to please their clients. This will not end anytime soon I would guess.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/23/2019 7:15:14 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
> "just another example of how attorneys have a field day with hours and hours of highly paid work arguing over the finest details of court decisions..."

Yup. That's part of the strategy -- to inundate consumers with arcane details that make it seem like Net Neutrality is "too complex" to figure out. And then the biggest companies with the most lawyers win.... 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
1/24/2019 1:38:09 AM
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Re: Net Neutrality
@mhh:

"And then the biggest companies with the most lawyers win.... "

This is a tired stereotype that just does not represent reality. And, speaking as a small-firm attorney with actual appellate experience, I am confident in saying that this is not the way the world always works.

I've been to court sessions where phalanxes of white-shoe law-firm lawyers were present to split their time arguing before the court. It's inevitably a cluster(very bad word), and -- even if they do wind up carrying the day based on the law -- it's in spite of, not because of, the idiotic way that work gets divided up in these situations.

And that's to say nothing of the butts I've kicked who had decades more experience and way better pedigrees than I did.

And other lawyers in firms of all sizes have similar stories to tell.

"The most lawyers" is helpful when it comes to research and discovery (because those are problems that require substantial human hours), but one driven and clever lawyer is better than 10 sleepy-eyed third-year associates burning the midnight oil.

In the high-stakes litigation context, Big Law doesn't exist to be the very very best. Big Law exists to provide credibility -- and, occasionally, scapegoating.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/24/2019 1:26:13 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
@joe - Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that when it comes to trials, that more lawyers means a court victory is assured. I misspoke a bit. By "most lawyers" -- I really meant "lawyer-lobbyists" because a large corp can essentially make the law, or at least shape policy in its favor. 

So incumbent telcos are buying politicians and sending them draft bills.. which will make it very difficult for any entities without the same resources to even have their day in court. 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/10/2019 10:20:16 AM
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Re: Net Neutrality
@mhhf1ve that's true. Even for smaller companies, just having enough resources to keep attorneys on retainer put them at an advantage.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 12:15:23 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
Also... The question of who gets to abuse consumers more: content owners vs network owners is nearly obsolete. As megacorps merge, the two entities are not distinct anymore -- and somehow the mergers have been allowed to happen despite regulations that should have prevented them....

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Ariella
Ariella
2/10/2019 12:57:59 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
@mhhf1ve I also wonder how they get around the anti-trust laws. I'm old enough to remember the push to break apart Ma Bell after people realized, nope, there's not such thing as a "natural monopoly."

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 2:50:25 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
I forget the exact details, but it seemed strange that Comcast was only required to adhere to net neutrality rules temporarily after its acquisition of NBC... that's a bizarre regulation to me.

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/14/2019 11:26:09 PM
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Re: Net Neutrality
Such is not bizzare--it is frankly smart Lawyering--and it is unfortunate.   I continue to remain optimistic in spite of it all not withstanding the current chaos in Washington. 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
1/22/2019 11:12:19 AM
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Re: Net Neutrality
Such such complex litigation are bound to take on a life of their own not withstanding the current drama in Washington--the question will be, though, who will win and who will lose? 

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freehe
freehe
1/18/2019 2:53:04 PM
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Mozilla
I use Mozilla. Verizon and Google sue the FCC's decision to repeal net neutrality because they are part of the capitalist system in the U.S. Greed has blinded the decision-making efforts of many executives in the telco industries. We already have too many who are underserved or unserved without access to broadband. The repeal will widen the gap and widen the economic gap. 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
1/22/2019 11:07:44 AM
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Re: Mozilla
The continued narrowing of choice continues to be of profound concern--isn't it?  The question is as Net Neutrality withers away into the dustbin of history as we know it, choice somewhat expands or it will shrink further.

 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
1/24/2019 1:41:53 AM
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Re: Mozilla
Net Neutrality is not about consumer choice; consumer rights is a red herring. It's about which megacorporations get the privilege of screwing consumers the most -- the network providers, or the content providers.

Trust me -- between costs, regulatory fees, and more, this ever-present "balance" will find its way whatever the results. :p

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
1/24/2019 11:36:31 AM
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Re: Mozilla
What is then the solution?   It seems as if whatever the majors want to do goes no matter what we little people say or think....

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Duh!
Duh!
2/11/2019 1:53:09 PM
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Re: Mozilla
@Joe Stanganelli Did you listen to the oral arguments last week and/or read the briefs? What's your take?

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