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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/7/2019 10:55:44 PM
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Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
Google pulled out of plans to deploy fiber in my city... so I guess it's a good thing that we never got "experimented" upon? I dunno.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/9/2019 2:51:30 AM
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Re: Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
Google has always been mainly an experimenting company with its labs in the real world and with real people. 

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freehe
freehe
2/13/2019 10:36:02 PM
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Re: Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
@Susan Fourtané. There is nothing wrong with experimenting but not at the expense of a city and its residents who are both losers in the experiment. City officials have to be smarter when allowing big companies to deploy a new product or service.

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freehe
freehe
2/13/2019 10:34:16 PM
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Re: Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
@mhhf1ve, Sounds like Louisville was a test pilot for Google to refine that deployment process. I wonder if they ever had intentions of actually installing the fiber or was it just a ploy.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/24/2019 9:38:10 PM
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Re: Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
@freehe That is a perceptive view. Many companies have used certain areas as test sites for new technology to gauge whether it will be worth rolling out to the general public.

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/24/2019 10:29:50 PM
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Re: Better to have google fiber and lost than to never have had it at all?
Such sites are prevalent--including the ones in Northern California testing out Self-driving cars--as cities have also welcomed, for instance, Uber and Lyft self-driving projects.   

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/8/2019 2:27:59 PM
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Learning experiences...
> "Google Fiber got an education at Louisville's expense."

Was it really a total loss at Louisville's expense? Can the fiber that Google deployed be re-purposed..? I'm curious if the fiber that broke through its protective seal was ever repaired? Was it damaged by vandalism?  

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Duh!
Duh!
2/8/2019 3:02:06 PM
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Hubris
"Fail fast" means that sometimes you actually fail. Who'd have thunk?

When you "move fast and break things", the breakage can sometimes be ugly. Who'd have thunk?

Give incumbents their rightful due. Outside plant is their heritage. When they bury cables, the cables stay buried. Who'd have thunk?

Building out telecom infrastructure demands different skill sets and culture than building data centers and search engines. Who'd have thunk.

Aside: Google Fiber (or whatever they're calling themselves these days) is still flogging their twist on SuperPON. Last time I talked with them, they insisted that they weren't giving up.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/8/2019 3:54:31 PM
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Re: Hubris
Google isn't the company that adopted "fail fast" as a motto. I understand what you're getting at, but there was some value in what Google Fiber did. There is value in what Google Loon does. Cheaper technology doesn't necessarily mean inferior technology. Sometimes it does, and people rightly point out that "you get what you pay for" -- but it's not always the case.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/9/2019 3:10:31 AM
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Re: Hubris
 <people rightly point out that "you get what you pay for" -- but it's not always the case.> That's true. And you can apply that to anything manufactured these days. A high tag price doesn't always guarantee superior quality anymore. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/8/2019 3:57:27 PM
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What caused micro tenching to fail?
Are there further details on what actually caused shallow trenches to fail? I presume there's a fix, but that it's just not economical for Google to redo what it tried with the fix given that it knows now what the market upside actually is.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/9/2019 3:12:44 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Google is not really known for fixing anything. When it breaks it brakes and Google abandons the project. When it fails it fails and Goggle abandons the project. It has always been like that.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2019 4:08:10 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
That's true. Google isn't known to fix things, including offering good customer service. Sometimes it'll abandon projects if it's just not as profitable as it would like. Makes me think twice about trying any new google products nowadays. I used to be more willing to try new stuff from google.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/10/2019 12:18:03 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Google never fixes anything. It’s not in its plan as a business to invest time, money, or effort in fixing. It’s better business for Google to be an experimental company. That’s how its ROI works. If you think for a minute you come up with lots of Google products and services that you knew, didn’t work as expected, or failed for some reason and Google discarded. The latest one being Google+ So, I don’t see why it was going to be different with fiber. It was tested. Something happened. Kill it. Move on.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 12:33:36 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Google fiber also had an indirect purpose-- not to necessarily provide broadband for profit, but to spur more broadband so that more users have access. Arguably, it succeeded by giving AT&T and others competition and forcing them to deploy fiber faster.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/10/2019 12:57:40 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Yes, in that sense Google is great in pushing others thanks to its doings. It has happened many times. I just want to clarify that I am not criticizing Google in any negative way. I think Google has a way of doing things that is pragmatic and serves the company and others in many ways. It’s only good to have in mind that a project that Google starts may or may not be aborted at some point. If people understand that Google is an experimental company there is nothing to criticize about what the company does. And as you say, there are always good side effects in the way that other companies get faster in fixing their own offering and deploying their product or service.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 1:29:38 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
I've been trying to think of a google product that google actually tried to fix... and I'm coming up empty. GoogleVoice? Google messaging apps? The jury is still out on those because I think those services may be miles off in the near future. As an experimental company, Google has fared better than Yahoo. Yahoo didn't kill enough of its products-- and they just drained the innovation until the end.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/10/2019 1:53:52 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
As far as I know, Google has never fixed a product. The products that are out and in use are the products that have worked well. Google also tried to replace Gmail with something else and it didn’t work. So Gmail is still out strong. Yahoo! Has been dead for longer than what I remember. Yahoo! Is the opposite than Google. Instead of killing the products when they don’t work or don’t work any longer Yahoo! Let them be there, in the jungle of failed products just to die slowly by themselves. There has no been innovation in Yahoo! For ages. And as said, Yahoo! Is just a dead company, a zombie, if you prefer.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 4:26:11 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
It's interesting that so many of google's dead projects are actually branded with a google name. Google Fiber. Google Wave. Google+. Whereas products like YouTube Music and Blogspot/Blogger are kept on life support for well beyond expectations. I think failures with Google branding are more likely to bite the dust than failures that don't bear the google moniker....?

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/10/2019 9:32:10 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
And don’t forget about Google Glass. In life support? :D lol I didn’t know Blogspot was still alive. I thought it was declared dead long ago. This is the first time I hear about it in ages!

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Ariella
Ariella
2/10/2019 10:15:56 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@Susan Google glass has found a second life in industry. I wrote about it here. As for blogspot, it's still alive and kicking. I have several blogs on it, and I encouraged my kid to post his writing there. It doesn't have the capabilities of Wordpress, but it's fine for your pretty straight-froward blogs, and the hosting is free. I started with Wordpress blogs back in 2005, but it was included in my web hosting, so when I switched, the blog went poof.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 12:23:01 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Blogspot/Blogger seems to be more alive than Tumblr in my opinion. I dunno if anyone at google noticed the opportunity to grab users fleeing from Tumblr... but... maybe microblogging has had its day and isn't a thing anymore?

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Ariella
Ariella
2/10/2019 1:09:47 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@mhhf1ve you gotta get it to fit in a Tweet. If they microblog they just thread their tweets, which gave rise to unroll apps. But I also see more and more people writing on Medium -- even companies (not to mention my daughter).

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2019 1:38:42 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
I thought Medium had its own turmoil. It shifted business models abruptly a couple years ago and lost a bunch of authors. I thought it had turned into a marketing-esque press release playground, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/10/2019 2:54:53 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@mhhf1ve Personally, I haven't done it, though you would find my name there b/c one of my clients posted some of the blogs they have on their own site over on Medium as well. Why not if it's free and extend exposure and clicks back to their site? I have other clients who use it for their personal branding. I found this https://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2016/07/14/medium-publishing which could explain their reasoning.

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Susan Fourtané
Susan Fourtané
2/25/2019 3:56:17 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Thanks Ariella. Yes, I know. I also wrote about Google Glass in manufacturing but I don't think it has been adopted as much as expected after that first period a few years back. 

But I didn't know Blogspot was still alive. Perhaps because it's been quiet or perhaps because I don't know or knew anyone having blogs there now.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/10/2019 7:20:59 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@Susan Fourtane Would you also include AOL among the walking dead? I still have an AOL account that one day I called up at work. The "You've Got Mail" announcement elicited laughter throughout the office, but, hey, it still works.

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
2/14/2019 9:59:30 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
I too have some AOL mail accounts but don't use them and makes me wonder about Google and how they may or may not hang in there with services over the decades. Now, they're shutting down the Google Plus service, leaving lots of fan out in the cold on lots on postings for years past, and one wonders what might happen with Google PHotos, Drive, etc. I'm not surprised to see problems with microtrenching, as I've seen our Comcast cables buried a few inches underground pop up here over the years.

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/14/2019 11:21:33 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Wow--AOL accounts still active?   On a serious note, I'm sorry to see Google walking away because they could have presented a viable alterantive.   Whether other viable alternatives emerge is going to be quite fascinating to watch. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/18/2019 11:40:38 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@Commisio44354 Google's walking away from Louisville so easily without providing a fix does not speak well for this company. A little like how quickly Amazon backed out of its plan to move into Long Island City, dashing the hopes of people who were looking to fill the 25,000 jobs it would have created. 

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DonBrowne
DonBrowne
2/19/2019 8:43:24 AM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
The Amazon New York fiasco might teach us a lesson about predicting the future. Without a crystal ball, there are just too many variables interacting to know for certain what's going to happen down the road even a few years. Where even huge companies like Amazon and Google end up a decade from now, and what failures and successes they have will be up to lots of speculation.

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michelle
michelle
2/26/2019 10:41:55 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Also, infrastructure is really really difficult. Fiber to the user wasn't as easy as they hoped...

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batye
batye
3/2/2019 1:12:24 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@michelle I think it due to the complicated design at the begining... and now it not an easy way to figure it out... 

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/19/2019 1:21:31 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Without getting too political, The Mayor of New York City addressed the growing power of Corporations during an appearance on Meet the Press this past weekend re: Amazon. As for Google, maybe they were not ready--but let's not count them out just yet. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/24/2019 9:33:17 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@Commmisio44354 I did not see that Meet the Press interview with the Mayor, however, Amazon would have provided many many needed jobs. That may be the upside of huge corporations. Maybe the company is just growing too fast because he downside is that the management for those Amazon warehouse jobs is sub-par judging from experience.

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Commisio44354
Commisio44354
2/24/2019 10:14:33 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
It will be interesting to see where things go from here--the power that the "FANGS" Have **Facebook; Apple; Amazon; Netflix; Google/Alphabet & Microsoft**is something that we have to concerned about,,,,,

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
2/28/2019 7:50:59 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
I definitely think it is a lost opportunity for NYC. On eother concern is how this would impact other companies that may plan to have a presence in NYC. Can't really make any prediction for sure, need to wait and see how things will be in coing days.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/19/2019 10:32:40 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
There was so much drama over the new HQ and then they just pulled out like that. The thing is, the few people who still remember last week's news cycle will forget about this whole thing by next week. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
2/28/2019 7:53:08 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
I think there was a lot of pre and post media noise in this whole Amazon NYC ordeal. Who knows it wouldn't even surprise me if Amzon will have its way into NYC in near future.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
2/28/2019 7:54:43 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Also heard that Newjersey started working with Amazon to see if they can have a presence in Newark in lieu of NYC miss. Not sure hw that is coming along.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/28/2019 10:05:05 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@ms akkineni This whole thing is just heating up. A Long Island City chef just flew out to Seattle to make a Hail Mary plea with an Amazon executive saying the neighborhood needs the jobs, and Gov. Cuomo is practially begging with Bezos to come back. Amazon would have brought 25,000 jobs to LIC. The stickiing point is that they are "anti-union." "Amazon, we love you. Please come back," the chef just said on Pix 11 news here in New York.

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batye
batye
3/2/2019 12:59:40 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@srufolo1 the way it look to me people trying to survive... and trying any way possible... as job market very bad this days.... 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/30/2019 10:16:29 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
Wow, that is very interesting. I didn't hear that. I know Gov isn't happy about Amazon's move. I personally feel the whole things may have been settled somewhere in between. But apparently that didn't happen and it is a lost opportunity for both ends.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/18/2019 11:45:16 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@DonBrowne It amazes me how the obvious problems of microtrenching could be overlooked at all. It's a good example of sacrificing quality to save on cost and time.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/19/2019 10:27:55 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
One of the many things that can go wrong is tree roots pushing the fiber up and out of the ground, I am experiencing this with my in-ground sprinkler system now and it's super annoying because they are going to have to cut the line and reattach it under the root. 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/25/2019 8:21:48 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@afwriter that is something they should be planning for in setting up cables underground. Tree roots do spread, and I can tell you from experience that make their way into sewer lines, casing major headaches and major expenses for replacements. 

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freehe
freehe
2/13/2019 10:42:05 PM
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Re: What caused micro tenching to fail?
@Susan Fourtan�. That is a good point. There are too many Google failures to list but some are: Google Glass, Google+, iGoogle, etc. I am curious to know how much many Google has wasted on its failures.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/10/2019 7:26:42 PM
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Bad Politician
Guess Google was the Mussolini of Louisville. Everyone applauded it when it first set out its vision of laying fiber. But the dream turned into a nightmare and the people's excitement turned to disappointment. It's unfortunate that a company like Google just goes in, uses a town like a guinea pig and then leaves without cleaning up the mess.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/12/2019 10:33:22 PM
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Re: Bad Politician
If it had worked out though, people would be singing a different tune about how the risk paid off. Nevertheless, Google should be responsible for its failure. 

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freehe
freehe
2/13/2019 10:30:43 PM
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Louisville
Ths sounds like a TV show. Louisville sounds like they have money to waste. Louisville doesn't seem to have wise politicians and stakeholders. That money could have been used by Verizon to provide broadband service to residents.

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JohnDrake
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2/28/2019 1:47:39 PM
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meanwhile, in New Jersey
one city in New Jersey was angry and having a feud with a utility company for chopping up the streets for an upgrade project, right after the city had repaved the streets. the utility left a bunch of bumpy, ugly patches, the way they always do, so there was no surprise to me, but the new mayor was surprised. that is what happens when someone digs up the streets. city winds up fixing it in the end, after the patches break up.

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michelle
michelle
2/28/2019 11:15:04 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
WOW. I can't believe that happened. It seems at least some coordination could happen sometimes. This is madness!

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afwriter
afwriter
3/1/2019 6:14:01 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
Or that, at the very least, the city holds the company financially responsible for their hack job. 

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batye
batye
3/2/2019 1:11:10 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
@afwriter  I would say it depends on the city by law... 

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michelle
michelle
3/5/2019 3:09:07 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
I can get behind that approach. Seems fitting they should fix what they broke. Such poor planning...

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/30/2019 10:19:53 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
I also would add - it's an initiative failed due to not having right people involved in negotiation. Sometimes things can be settled midways too. Just sticking to this or that may not work in all cases. I believe that's where things got messed up in this case.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
4/6/2019 3:30:51 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
@ms.akkineni Or maybe Bezos was distracted by his divorce. Amazon is not very organized with Human Resources. My boyfriend actually has a job with them in the warehouse, a badge, information comes to him about his health care, and a 401k, yet he has not started yet. This has been going on since last August when he got hired at their "job event." They can't seem to figure out how to put him on the schedule! In any event, I think Long Island City lost the deal forever, never to come back. They settled on going elsewhere, down South.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/24/2019 9:11:58 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
May be, but not very sure if this case has even gone thus far to him. I guess the deal may have been dismissed even before. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding based on what i heard.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
4/30/2019 1:25:20 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
@ms.akkineni You coud be correct. The whole thing was botched up by the political forces that be as well. In any event, it cost Long Island City and the surrounding area thousands of jobs.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2019 5:30:30 PM
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Re: meanwhile, in New Jersey
Agreed. Not sure what happened to the attempt made by NJ governor to see if at all Amzon will consider Newark as an option. There was a lot buzz on this when NYC-Amazon thing became a no-go.

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